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It was an absolute pleasure to have Dr. Dan back on the show.
We discuss the micro biomes of the body, the importance on the awareness of stress & how to optimise your routine for optimal health.
Be sure to follow him on Instagram via the link below
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What went up your nose, Corey?
Speaker 2:Alright, we put in was that tea tree oil, charcoal bison and.
Speaker 1:Yeah, bison botanicals, tea tree oil. And then we had GIT talks, which is activated charcoal, apple pectin, silica, zeolite clay and, I think, bentonite clay as well.
Speaker 2:Why did I do that why?
Speaker 1:did you do that? I wanted to watch you cry. So when we look at the microbiomes in the body, you've obviously got your gut, which is the main one people talk about, but we've also got our sinuses and our nasal microbiomes. So same sort of concept is taking botanicals for your gut, taking them in the nasal microbiome, especially when we have something called marcones or essentially we can have like mold toxicity in the nose, viruses, which you know a big incubation point for viruses, and mold through the nasal cavity when we breathe them in, or respiratory tract infections.
Speaker 2:So yeah, Dude, I can breathe, so good, we're just sitting here. We're going like yeah, ah. How was that? I feel like we've done it.
Speaker 1:I had a massive coffee as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it actually gave me a bit of a charge. Yeah, it might sound a little bit nasally because I've got, like some stuff like to do stuck in my nose. But Not bad, but not bad Not bad, not bad.
Speaker 1:yeah, you have to do it twice a day, every day for a week, so I mean that's one dose out of 14. So by the end of it you'll be laughing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's like, it's so interesting because obviously, like you wouldn't think that you have microbiome in your nose. Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1:Makes sense, though. I mean, you've got your nasal microbiome, you've got your sinus microbiome, you've got your oral microbiome, you've got your lung microbiome and then you've obviously got your, the main one people talk about, which is your gut, and then we think about for females and males, you know, you've got your downstairs microbiome, which is obviously quite important too. Yeah, what about if you've lost a foreskin. I've lost a foreskin. Yeah, you can't find it.
Speaker 2:I got snipped off when I was a baby.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh, mate, you have to try and look for it. No, obviously that acts as a barrier to the outside world, so it is part of it, but I mean, I actually know too much on that one to be honest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's interesting. So I was like, yeah, I wanted to microbiome, that should be. I mean, it's a barrier.
Speaker 1:It's a part of your skin from the external world. If you lost it, I mean you would have built up more resistance from you know, having lost 30 years without having one, though I mean there's actually like people always say that people who have had that are more like less susceptible and it's better because I mean in terms of, like having the foreskin, you know, more chance of bacteria populating within the foreskin. You're crazy, yeah. So I mean, as long as you have a foreskin, obviously you just got to clean it properly. How do we start?
Speaker 2:talking about foreskin and everyone's got tea tree oil like inside the foreskin. Oh God, damn, yeah, I don't have a gut on there. I'm just talking about microbiomes. Interesting You've been helping me fix my back. It's been like super interesting with what we've been like learning and oh my goodness, in terms of because I can invest it into Dan as like a health coach. But it's crazy Like for me, just like some realizations of like thinking my core was strong and thinking that I trained enough, and then just going for a period of time like working in my office chair, training in the gym. I'd go, I'd do some bodybuilding exercises. I'd come home, I'd like work and then I'd go for like a 20 minute walk and that was like roughly, I'm like, oh, that's enough, cause I'm in like a bulking phase right now. I wasn't doing any stretching, wasn't doing any strengthening of any other areas, no, like yoga, pilates, anything like that, which I find gold now and it's just, it's not how, that's like the norm. And then next minute I have a massive bulging desk. Mhmm, ectic, yeah.
Speaker 1:Crazy. So like it was pretty. It wasn't like a massive event or anything kind of just happened out of nowhere too.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I'm like it's just crazy, like for anyone who's at that stage where you know they know they're sitting down a bit and they haven't got like good core strength or anything, or you're just stuck in a routine and working. It's like man, if you're not doing something about it, like me being one of the healthiest people I know. I'm like if that can get me, I can get anyone.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%. I think it's like a case of it's not not being strong or, you know, not like obviously strong. You're conditioned, you look after yourself to do all the right things, but there's a difference between being like generally strong versus specifically strong. I think that's also what comes into it when you look at like bodybuilders, powerlifters, high level athletes, and it's like you know, yes, they're like globally strong, but if you don't work on that sort of segmental stability and that segmental strength, you can still be susceptible to getting these things happen and obviously, like fear mongering or anything, everyone's everyone's going to get injured at some stage in their life, but it's like we can obviously do certain things to try and mitigate the risk of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what I find like really interesting about you is I'm like it's interesting that you know so much about the body and that you studied all the functional medicine stuff as well.
Speaker 2:So you know everything about the blood tests, you know about gut, microbiome stuff, and you know like it's really interesting as when, like Morgan and Dan, like when we did all my blood tests, it was so cool because most of the time when I look at blood tests, I just look at like like I look at my cholesterol, look at my like testosterone, so basically ignore everything in the red blood cells, and I just look at what the mark is saying and I'm like, well, this might do it better. So funny, because you're like well, let's, I almost don't look at anything else. I look at the red blood cells first and then you're like it's so crazy how you can deduct roughly what is going on inside your body whilst looking at blood tests and, at the same time, knowing lots about like the whole body as well. How did you like learn this and what are the like, similarities and the patterns that you find between the body and like on the outside of the body and the inside of the body? I think?
Speaker 1:I mean obviously, yeah, like over the last 10 years it's been learning, like started off as a personal trainer and was always into them all the strength conditioning, bodybuilding, like started off as a bro, as we all did you know bicep kills and a photo of Ziz in the room.
Speaker 1:And then, yeah, when it's osteopathy, you know more rehabilitation and like even osteo it's more. It's very like we get sort of holistic but I'd say it's very predominant on, like, the musculoskeletal system. We talk about these other systems but we never go like deep into it or maybe we did not pay attention. You need to know much. It wasn't really a few years after uni I started to get a lot of patients that weren't getting better and I think the patients that don't get better always teach you the most and you either put your ego up and say it's their fault or you look into why they're not getting better, which you know is the path I took and you know sought out some mentors I was telling you about off off air before and you know those guys being more holistic into sticking to the sort of functional medicine, integrated medicine world and I think there's a lot of similarities between, like, mechanical and you know medicine. There's obviously a lot of differences but like the key principle I think is the same and the thing I resonate with the most is my approach has always been like look at the whole, zoom out and look at how different things interrelate and communicate. So, like if you had a shoulder injury, you know the approach is going to be that we don't just look at the shoulder. Obviously we're going to zoom out, we're going to go how does the whole body function as a whole? How does the shoulder integrate with the shoulder blade, integrate with the thoracic spine, integrate with the rib cage? How does that integrate with breathing? How does the rib cage and pelvis work together? Like so we look at it holistically and we go well, how does it, these other joints at other areas influence the side or the presentation of pain where you're getting the symptom?
Speaker 1:If we then go into sort of functional medicine or integrated medicine, whatever you want to call it, same principle, you come to me and you say you have this, you know presentation, or this symptom. Or you know, in the medical model, it's usually we have, you know, an organ that is currently under stress and organ that currently has a diagnosis, like we have Hashimoto's, which is a thyroid issue. You know we have Crohn's disease, which is a gut issue. We've got Alzheimer's, which is a neurological issue. It's like, well, if we just look at that through a lens and go, you know, into the reductionist model of like you have a gut problem, let's look at the gut. You have a thyroid problem let's look at thyroid.
Speaker 1:Like you mentioned on the blood test before, like you look at cholesterol, you miss in a big piece of the puzzle and a lot of times we're just looking at where the side of pain is or where the symptom is to get the answers. You know, as you saw when we did our work together, it's like to get the actual answers of why you have the symptom or the presentation or the diagnosis you have. You need to be able to look out and go. I have to need to understand everything really well individually. I can need to understand the gut, I need to understand the immune, I need to understand the nervous, the thyroid, the liver, but then I have to understand how these things communicate and integrate to then have a true representation in 5D essentially of like how the body is actually working. And then, once you know what's right, you can figure out what's wrong.
Speaker 1:But until you know what's right, it's going to be very, very hard to look at those tests. And that's where I think context is key and, like you've probably experienced this and a lot of people listening to you go, you know, get your bloods done, you go take it to a GP or a practitioner and everything's normal. But you don't feel normal, which I've all experienced before, and it's like well, the confusion is like well, if it's, if it's all normal, why do I feel this way? But it's like well, the test is still the same test when I read it and the GP reads it, but like it's more the interpretation, the lens you're looking at it through, based off the understanding of how those systems interrelate. If you're just looking at, you know, cholesterol and isolation cool, that's fine. Tick, next thing, tick, but you're not seeing how those things communicate. It's like trying to solve a puzzle with half the pieces missing.
Speaker 2:Yep, Crazy, and like I was actually really like, like interested in you know, like blew my mind a little bit about like you talking about the immune system and then also understanding like, with like my back when you were just like I think you're just under a lot of neurological stress and that's one of the main reasons that this has manifested and I was like what Dispould manifesting from neurological stress, what, what's in my brain?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think.
Speaker 2:By the way, can you move your mic? That Just move the whole thing. That way, yeah, and then point it a little bit this way, like to the side, like point the mic that way, that, and then move it that way more, that way, a little bit more that, yeah, and then point it a little bit more towards you. It's just good content purposes, perfect, yeah, perfect, yeah. I remember that conversation.
Speaker 1:I was like this guy's going to think I'm woo-woo. I think that's like. That literally highlights everything we're talking about there in terms of integration of systems. And this is where, like this, was literally the reason why I went down into learning more the functional medicine, integrated medicine, stuff because I'd have patients like you in, you know, 2019, 2020, when I'd first started practicing as an osteo, and it was very like mechanical. It was like we need to get you strong, we need to work on your flexibility, we need to work on your strength, we need to get you strong, we need to work on your flexibility, we need to work on your stability. Yeah, everyone's everyone needs to be doing deadlifts and core work and this is going to cure everything until it doesn't. And then you get these people where you're like hmm, yeah, mechanically wise, you're pretty sound. You know you're pretty strong. Yeah, someone who trains a lot, you have good range of motion, flexibility, like someone's like adding up. Then that's where it's like well, hang on a minute.
Speaker 1:There's all these different systems in the body and we're looking at one system. So how can you truly helistically, how can you truly say you're holistic? And I think it's like, obviously a step better to go. Hey, someone has shoulder pain. Look at the entire body. But if we're only looking at the entire body from a biomechanical approach, then we're still being relatively reductionist because we're not seeing these other systems. So that's the first thing. Second thing would be um in terms of like with your presentation. So when we look at the body and like this is a concept I learned from Perry Nicholson, from Stop Chasing Pain is like the body has a hierarchy which makes sense of. You know what's important for survival versus what's not. And the easy way we can explain it's like imagine you go to Woolies and you have $100 cash and hand and there's no credit cards, there's no F boss, you just have old school $100. Yeah, and you go to checkout your swap, all your stuff, and it's $120. What do you do?
Speaker 2:I'd ask someone for 20 bucks. Riz was full.
Speaker 1:If you didn't have 20 bucks, you'd start to prioritize yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, go through. I'm like I asked people for stuff. I'm not fair to putting the putting the bad practice. Sorry, guys, got me money please. But yeah, obviously, if there's no one around, you'd be like, well, what's the most important shit?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you start to prioritize and actually go okay, what's essential versus not essential? So you might put your steak through your eggs, your dairy, your vegetables, your fruits, et cetera, and then you get to the end. You're like I don't really need the chocolate yet. It's like it's nice to have, not needs to have. And it's the same with your body. It's like we have a hierarchy of systems in the body and it's like you mean system, the nervous system, your guts, your lymphatic system. You can't live without those guys very long. Yeah. Then we go down further. It's the liver, it's the circulatory system, it's the nerves. We get to the bottom, which is system number eight. This is the endocrine system. This is where your hormones are. So a lot of you know males experience low testosterone when they're in high levels of stress. A lot of females, you know, lose their cycle when they compete in high levels of stress. Then the bottom of the chart is your musculoskeletal system.
Speaker 1:So you got to think. It's like if you're having symptoms presentations in the bottom system, on the hierarchy in the pyramid, maybe there's a problem upstream that's causing that and we're just seeing a symptom down, the bottom of the future, like immune system.
Speaker 2:You got an immune system function and it's affecting your testosterone, even though you think it's low test or something. It's like, hey, actually you've got some bacteria, you've got some infections, you have to go Clean your guts Could be. Yeah, it's like a good, it's leaps, yeah.
Speaker 1:But the overall, like what I said to you is like there's too much systemic, so systemic meaning, in the system. There's too much systemic stress in the body right now and the body's trying to buffer stress and it's trying to prioritize and go out. Well, out of everything we need to operate right now, which ones are essential, which ones are not essential and the non essential ones were turning off. Do I need big biceps? Nice to have, not need to have. Do I need a period If I'm quite stressed right now? Do I really need to bring in other humans as well? I'd probably not. Let's shut that off. Do I need to have high testosterone right now? I would love to be having sex twice a day, but probably don't need it right now. I don't have much energy.
Speaker 1:So we start to see these lower systems. We have presentations and symptoms, but we have problems or root causes in these higher systems and that's usually a combination of, you know, infection is a big one which we talked about, Biochemical stress. So biochemical stress being nutrition, diet, like a lot of the foods we're eating, as you know, bringing inflammatory foods, and we're poisoning ourselves with food and drugs and nonsense. That's also going to add stress to the system. We've got emotional and psychological stress, which we know is also a big factor. Emotions drive a lot of the physical ailments we see. What do you mean by that? In terms of the emotions? Yeah, like. Well, think about it in terms of, like your brain. Your brain just knows stress. Yeah, your brain doesn't have like an individual bucket for you know, this is my emotional stress, this is my business stress, this is my finance stress.
Speaker 1:This is my training stress. Your body just has one bucket and is an input.
Speaker 2:Email and being chased by a bear Same thing.
Speaker 1:Pretty much to your brain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, your brain doesn't.
Speaker 1:your brain doesn't ask questions. Your brain shoots and then ask questions later, so you're simply thinking of. The whole idea of your brain is survival and protection.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like you're working, walking home late at night and you hear some ruffling in the bushes. You're walking home through Southport. Yeah, you know, your natural, innate response is probably going to be to stay away from that bush. Yeah, maybe you and me were out for a drink and you've had a few too many and it could have been you in the bush. Yeah. But you know my natural reaction is going to be like let's stay safe rather than go into that bush and see if it's you, because if it is you, happy days. If it's not you and it's someone else who's dangerous, you know I could be dead. So it's like your brain's natural response is always going to be safety first, ask questions later. We don't really differentiate between the different types of stresses. This is one stimulus and then the summation of that stimulus is what creates that what I said to you before, like the systemic stress. So we stay away from the bush. We stay away from the bush, damn.
Speaker 2:We go to a damn it, but I like bush, so like for your back, for example.
Speaker 1:I would say to you was like so think that stress. We're having inputs from all different areas. We've got potential infection, we've got nutrition and diet, we've got emotions and stress. We've got training stress, we've got work stress, we've got financial stuff. We've got all these different stresses that are coming in different forms yeah, biochemical, emotional, physical, et cetera. That stress is then going to some mate and it's like the same way we think about injuries where we go.
Speaker 1:If I looked at a bicep, it's like a bicep has a certain amount of threshold it can take and we have what I call tolerance, which is like where this is neurological. It's like if your body gets to its level of tolerance, if we exceed that, we start to get pain. There's no damage at this point, but it's essentially a brain saying hey, we're getting close to capacity. Right now, let's like pull the handbrake so you don't do any damage. We ignore that and we keep pushing through it, which is why I always say to you stop pushing through pain. We get to the level of capacity. Your capacity is more physics, this is biomechanics. So this is if your bicep can handle 100 newtons of force and we apply 101, your bicep will snap. There's no emotions, there's no feelings, there's no opinions on this one. It is physics. That is why technique is important. So for that one, it's like that's where we actually have damage, essentially.
Speaker 1:So in terms of that, it's like, well, if we have all this massive amount of stress in the body from all these other areas, we're already at that tolerance or capacity potentially. And then you got to do something that's insignificant. You bend over to pick up your pencil, you're doing your bedsheets, you're washing your hair and all of a sudden your shoulder goes, your back goes. You're like, oh, that's strange. That's not a massive stress or activity. Why have I had this issue? And it's like that's what I was saying to you. It's like you've got so much going on outside of it. It didn't really take much for you to have this presentation. And then, even with our rehab efforts, it's like we're doing all the right things in the mechanical perspective, but there's just too much stress going on. We need to buffer some of that stress. The body has the cash, that extra $20, to go and heal these bottom systems, because at the moment we don't have enough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's like it's crazy, we're using it of money. And it's like, okay, so with all the stress let's say work and heart, emotional stress, financial stress, business stress, leadership stress, whatever it is it's like okay, you're spending all your body's energies, money, on all those different areas and what you want to do is for your body is make more energy, make more money by like having sauna, meditating, eating really well, not putting anything that's going to be stressful on your body, like into your body, taking time to really relax.
Speaker 2:Eat more calories so you inner surplus, not a deficit, so you're not being stressed, and like doing all the right things and getting back to that, so that way your body starts healing, because otherwise it's never going to heal.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, or rather than getting extra $20, fix your spending problem. Oh yeah, we can see our mindsets here.
Speaker 2:I'm the exact same.
Speaker 1:I don't like that Good at making money, good at spending money. So, like in that situation, yeah, it's like, well, you're banging on it. It's like, yeah, we could eat more food. Like a lot of people I see, especially athletes like endurance athletes or high level people it's like you know they do have a relative energy deficiency. So, eating more food, sleeping more, you know, doing more restorative activities that fill your stomach and give you more, is great, but it's like it doesn't have to be an either or it's a both. So it's like, well, what are the things that are creating that stress that is now requiring extra energy?
Speaker 1:Think, in this case it's like money is energy, energy is ATP. So it's like, well, if you have an infection, your body is using an extra energy to try and fight infection. You know your immune system is in overdrive, there's increasing inflammation, your liver is working harder, the detox, your kidneys are working harder. You know there's a lot of extra stress happening in the body that's taking up a lot of that money. So if you're having to make extra $20, can we reduce, you know, the cost of our grocery spent by 50? Yeah, dad said the same thing.
Speaker 2:So my dad had to have a carp tunnel in his wrists and he's supposed to be like going for an operation where they go like put a needle into his wrist and they basically snip the carpet tunnel so we can start moving and using his fingers, because all his fingers went numb and he said two operations on his shoulders recently, so he's been out for a long period of time and then also, like he's been working with you, so he's been like eating the good food, he's been like doing all the right things and then the carpet tunnel went. It's like it's gone now. Why didn't you tell?
Speaker 1:me that that's hectic.
Speaker 2:Dude, it's crazy. It's gone. He's like dude, I got all feeling in my fingers. Now I'm fine. I was like what Again? I'm like, oh, immediately for me, because you told me that beforehand, because my brain's like, oh, his body's literally had time to calm down and go. Oh, I'm going to send some shit to the wrist to actually heal it now, because you've been saving all your money, saving all your energy. Now you can go and spend it here. And it has, dude, healed carbotunnel. That's hectic. I wish you told me that. What the hell? I know he's like, I've been out on my bike, I've been having a great time. I was like what the hell, man, that's crazy.
Speaker 1:If that's so funny. I feel like I never hear from him, but then every time I talk to you, you're like man, he's lost a kilo, he's done all this and you're like he got to call him His old school.
Speaker 2:He liked that and he's coming to talk to them. The messages are like you are wet. They call them and they tell you everything. Oh, my goodness, what do you think Like because, like, I'm interested in this, just in general from like your practice, what are the most common problems that you see Like in terms of what men want and what happened to women?
Speaker 1:Let's say it's changed. Like in private practice, like face to face, it's more typical. You're like back pain, shoulder pain, knee pain are always going to be the three biggest ones.
Speaker 2:What do they usually cause from?
Speaker 1:just like real, briefly, Usually a bit of A and B. Number one is usually some sort of mechanical issues. So they've either lost mobility, flexibility somewhere in the overload in other areas of the body, or a lack of strength and stability. Usually it's a combination of one of the two, or again what we talked about before. So I actually have a graph on this I can send to you afterwards. But it's like imagine a Venn diagram on one side you've got mechanical and on the other side you got physiological. Combine those two factors. That's usually the underlying process of an injury.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I swear to God, I was like after like learning a lot and like talking to you and like let's just just comes down to Hink, hip strength, mobility and flexibility, and then top of trunk, spine flexibility, mobility and strength, and I'm like have you heard of the joint by? Joint model God damn, no the joint by joint model.
Speaker 1:I think it's Gary Cook maybe if I butcher that, apologies, but essentially we think of the body as like alternating, an alternating zigzag pattern, and each joint is alternating between mobile and stable, so obviously every joint needs to have a degree of both. But it's like if you go from the ground up, it's like ankle ankle is mobile and knee stable, hip mobile, lumbar spine stable T-spine mobile.
Speaker 1:Lower cervical stable, upper cervical mobile. Same if we go shoulders, it's like T-spine mobile, scapular stable, glenohumeral joint mobile, elbow stable, wrist mobile. So usually what we see in those scenarios is well, 30 points.
Speaker 2:I just made a move and moved my elbow up and down and then I moved my wrist like left and right in a way that looks like I was jacking something off that pronation gains.
Speaker 1:So usually like to answer your question on those ones is like well, if we've lost, you've either got hypermobility at a joint that is meant to be stable. So it's like if you have hypermobility of a lumbar spine and knee, you know it's never really going to end too well, because we know those joints, we want to be relatively rigid. They still need a degree of motion, but we want to be relatively rigid. Or, on the flip side, we've got joints that are designed to be highly mobile and they've lost mobility so they're hypomobile. Usually what I see is we lose mobility at the mobile joints, let's say the T-spine and the hip, and then, as a byproduct of that, your body's an adaptation machine. So it goes well. If I can't get this motion at the hip, what can I where else can?
Speaker 2:I get it, so it tries to take it from the stable bit.
Speaker 1:So I can get above and below. What's above your hip, the lumbar spine, what's below your hip, your knee? Now, all of a sudden, you've got, so you've got bad knees.
Speaker 2:Now, all of a sudden, you've got knee pain and back pain and so because you need to be more mobile, like strengthen it and lengthen it's like more mobile and strength in a mobile position in your hips most of the time, or your ankles, will help fix your knee 100%.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I think sometimes I get a bad route for not liking stretching, but it's like I'm not again stretching. I think what the principle is again, we always want to think principle is not absolute. It's like stretching is just a form of mobilization, like you want to have every joint in your body have access to full range of motion, without limitation or restriction. Because the first step is going to be we need to actually access a range of motion. Yeah, when we can access our range of motion, then we can obviously strengthen that range of motion. If I can't get my shoulder overhead, I can't really strengthen and stabilize my shoulder where it's unstable and it's just like. Step one is yeah, we need to have full range of motion through T-spine, through glenicumeral joint, scapula, so now I can load this position where my shoulder needs it the most. Because down here happy days, I don't know how many people who get injured down here yeah.
Speaker 1:So the first few people get injured in their shoulders they're playing footy.
Speaker 2:they tackle their arms overhead Up to the side it's not down like yeah, so it's the same as every joint in the body.
Speaker 1:So it's like step one we want to think is, you know, restore flexibility, have access to range of motion. Step two is we then need to be granted access to range of motion so the central nervous system allows us to use what we have, that's mobility. And now that we can access unstable positions, we can now train and improve, you know, the stabilization of a joint in relatively unstable positions.
Speaker 2:I really like it. What are some other like? What are some of the other most common problems that you see in terms of what like men want and what like happen to women?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and also I think on that what you said there see how that highlights the need to zoom out and have that integrated approach. Yeah, because if we just look to your knee when you have knee pain, it's like, oh, the knee's fine, well, you just got bad knees. But it's like until we zoom out and go look at every other joint around the body, it's like we don't understand it. Yeah, literally, I understand. That's why my back went. Step one is like we go knee pain, look at the knee. Step two is let's look at the whole body mechanically. And then step three is let's look at the whole body systemically and now we have a full picture. In terms of most common things, females tend to have a lot more common autoimmune diseases as a four to one ratio. What happens is a reflection of that.
Speaker 2:You'll see a PCOS Like sore like we'll dumb it down for people. Is it like sore guts? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:So like bloating skin, issues like eczema, hives, acne, bloating phlegm and so on, and then food sensitivities, reacting to things like gluten, dairy, as a common one, and again people kind of blame the symptom rather than chase the actual problem. So that's a common one. For females, Obviously, loss of cycle, irregular cycles, painful cycles that's a big one too. So I mean, in terms of PCOS and ender, that's going to be one of the common symptoms. It's like you know, you have very heavy bleeds, very painful bleach. You might be bedridden.
Speaker 2:I couldn't imagine. Like you know, just like once a month, just like dreading, knowing that something's going to happen to you, and you just like, oh, my whole body is like going to shut down for like a week. This is the worst.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then for men, I mean men always just like I just want my T to be as hard as possible when we be jacked.
Speaker 2:Which.
Speaker 1:I'm getting a lot of that lately.
Speaker 2:What are the main problems? What are, like, a lot of the problems that you see guys have Like usually it's libido, energy, focus.
Speaker 1:I'm finding a lot of like cognitive issues. So like men tend to have a lot more cognitive, neurological issues and there's like there's like evidence to to support that, in terms of like men have a higher instance of things like Alzheimer's, dementia, you know, parkinson's, like neurological disorders, versus females tend to have a higher instance of autoimmune. So why do we have Driven by hormones, so like in terms of a lot of those ones we talked about with like endopcOS, obviously very driven by like estrogen, progesterone, versus with all of the autoimmune diseases, that for neurological or more driven by testosterone and those pathways. So it's more just like our underlying physiology will drive us to different pathways. Yeah, like it doesn't mean a female can't get Alzheimer's in a male, I mean obviously a male can't get endopcOS, but like we can still obviously have aspects of both. But in terms of the incidents you'd see, roughly, you know, probably about four times more females get that and males get that.
Speaker 2:So most dudes come in quick or they're not getting up. They can't last very long.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they um Well, just lack of desire, lack of, lack of desire.
Speaker 2:They're feeling stressed as hell.
Speaker 1:They can't focus, Difficulty, building muscle unable to lose body fat, especially around the sort of the man, boobs, the gut, lack of energy, focus, motivation drives a big one yeah.
Speaker 2:What's like and what's like, do you think some of the most like common, what's like? The common thing that no-transcript is making that worse. Common wise because not so specific per each individual.
Speaker 1:It's in my brain. It's like, if you just like rack them up and be like, I'd say, probably comes down to a combination of the three. In terms of like, food and diet is, I'd say, a hundred percent, almost prevalent in every single person I see.
Speaker 2:I can't wait. We're gonna get into food and diet in a second.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like food and diet is number one. Like you know, food is medicine and your first line of defense is the shopping center.
Speaker 2:Oh, we're just breaks and miffs. We're gonna break some miffs in a minute Because I did the same thing here.
Speaker 1:First line of defense First line of defense is in the kitchen.
Speaker 2:I literally think I'm like even before that, like my brain is like it's literally you start. It doesn't start like prepping in the kitchen, it's like it starts with like buying the right food. Paying for food.
Speaker 1:Selecting the food in the right areas and being like I'm gonna buy this shit, reading the ingredients and being aware, yeah, let's say food, so we can buy chemical food products we use. So a lot of guys I know are using just we're still using Link's deodorant, link's body wash all these things that are kind of high and a lot of toxins that we're not aware of. Did I hardly shower?
Speaker 2:Really yeah.
Speaker 1:You smell great, Thank you. So that's the thing, though it's like you should have a natural body odor that smells quite good if you are healthy.
Speaker 2:I would say it's like body odor.
Speaker 1:Is your body trying to excrete toxins through? Your largest organ, the skin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll shower like probably five to six times a week. I'll probably have like almost one day off and then like because I body scrub as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do a body brushing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't wet in the shower. I was probably naughty boy in there. I get in the shower and I go whew, like ah, it hurts so bad. So you can get this brush and you like rubber over your whole body to like get rid of all your toxins and shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just more stimulates my lymphatic system. Yeah. So yeah, bringing it back would be food number one. Number two is usually environment and products, things like that we're using. Stress number is huge, obviously, like we talked about before, stress from different types of areas. And then four, which is quite common these days, is some sort of underlying or unresolved, a chronic or acute or chronic infection, yeah, which I kind of think, especially when you're in your like mid to late 20s.
Speaker 2:So if anyone's 20 years old and it's like, oh, you're broding in 25, it's like you've done some stuff. You've either had some traveling, you've experienced some stress, you've had some things happen in your life, and now it's like, man, like when was the last time I even thought about this? Like when was it? Like? Like for my old man when he first started fasting? I was like, dude, like when was the last time he ever went for a period of time without any food? And like, let your body heal. He was like I'm 50 years old. I'm like, yeah, 50 years. Right, you know what I mean. So I'm like there's some stuff there that has to be healed and even like, like you know for me, thinking I was like, oh, I should be sweet, like I've done all the healthy, I've done these preps, I've eaten all this stuff. And then you're like, yeah, so there's a bacteria infection in your guts by the look of it. So let's go attack it, try some things and do some blood testing again to see if we've actually got it or not.
Speaker 2:And I'm like, wow, that's actually so interesting because it's not like I'm sick, it's not like anything else is like happening, like I feel good majority of the time. Yeah, it's so interesting that all the markers show that and you're like, oh, it's like when have we ever gone for a period especially when you get to 25 to 30? Where it's like you've actually spent some serious focused time on seeing if there's anything going on and trying to heal?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I understand. I think they call them like stealth infections and the reason they say that is because they're silent. You don't really notice them a lot of times and I think what happens to a lot of people is we don't get this massive. Most people are expecting it to be like a Bali belly. Yeah, it's like you wake up one. You don't even wake up, you just sit in there and the next minute you project alveolumetine and it's like slapping the face.
Speaker 1:I think of all of these like stealth infections.
Speaker 1:It's like it's not necessarily a slap in the face, it's like this gradual onset that happens in the backgrounds, where, if I asked you subjectively how you're feeling, it's like you know you're feeling a 9.5, a 9.4, a 9.3,.
Speaker 1:It's like you don't really notice a massive, significant difference, so you don't feel like there's a problem. And that's where blood work is useful, because it's like if we just base everything our feel and emotions it can be very inaccurate, so it's like your bloods don't lie. Even if you tell me you're feeling good and I see this in your blood test, it's like, well, a lot of people just are so used to feeling the way they're feeling and they have this new, essentially like hadonic set point where I felt this way for so long. And it's been such a gradual transitional change that I don't actually know what a 10 feels like anymore, because I'm so used to feeling like a six. That's not till you do the protocol. And then two months later like oh shit, I was operating at a five. I thought I was all good, like I didn't think there was a problem. But you know, because it's so silent and gradual in the background, you don't really notice it kicking in.
Speaker 2:Nuts and I think as well like this is just like for my own experience, because it's not real.
Speaker 2:For other people's their situation is a little bit different.
Speaker 2:But what I feel is I lost a lot of pressure from the world, probably has put a lot of pressure on myself, but I also find that, with this new pressure of whatever the modern world is and the stress that comes with it, like it's kind of beautiful because unless we like get back to healing, doing anti-stress modalities like meditation, visualization, making sure that our nervous system is calmed down, then we just turn into fat, inflamed pieces of shit who are grumpy, moody and angry.
Speaker 2:And it's interesting because it's like we're in this beautiful position where it's like, well, if we want to have a lot of responsibility, we do want to make an impact, we do want to make change. Like part of that is to make sure that we're eating right, dealing with our stress, getting back to our bodies, getting back to our minds, getting back to our hearts, so that we can have the energy to cope. I think it's beautiful because it's like, well, the ones who don't are the ones that you know will fall short in the end or like implode, and the ones who do and understand this are like the secret silent kings who like really rise up and start to achieve something that they love, and it feels so much more wholesome. It's so much better than partying or whatever other vices out there, even money, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:It's just so much better than that, yeah, I understand, and it all starts from you know, if you don't have a good, healthy body and healthy mind, then the rest is gonna collapse.
Speaker 2:Crazy. So I want to get into like supplements, food, some tools for shit that we can do to eat. And if we just think about like the normal person who's eating semi-okay, but some chockies and some snacks and a bit of Uber Eats or like somewhere nice to eat, but most of the time it's good, it's like what can we do to sort those people out?
Speaker 1:I think the first thing is like we don't need to bastardize any of that stuff. It's completely fine.
Speaker 2:You assholes for getting. Uber Eats but I like Uber Eats to coffee this week and I went out for dinner last night. You piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, shame and guilt everywhere. No, but I think you choose the right things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think, cause more stress than it solves. If you're trying to be perfect and materialist of everything, it's like I think it's. I think, when you bring it back to what your goals are, like what you just said before, it's like if you value high performance in all areas of life relationships, business, you know wealth, impact, performance, fitness it's like it's pretty easy to make those decisions and not want to eat the bad. You know the bad food, so to speak. But it's like, hey, if you do, like you and me. It's like hey, if we have Uber Eats every now and then our chocolate coffee. It's like it's not the end of the world. But if it starts to become a massive party, you die.
Speaker 1:And obviously people hear about the 80-20 rule. 80-20 rule is a good start for a lot of people, but even then, it's like if you had a Lamborghini, would you only put, you know, 80% of the time? Would you put good fuel in? It's like you probably aim to put 100% of the time because you want it to operate at its best and you know that if you do go in there one time and you put unleaded 91 in, it's still gonna drive. It's not gonna drive it its best. Is the car gonna break down? Is it gonna implode Like no, it's the same as your body. It's like aim to put 98 in every time, occasionally.
Speaker 1:If you put the 91 in, it's fine, but you understand, if you make that decision, it's gonna have an influence on the performance of your vehicle, your body.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I just know a lot of people just don't even know what you know high performance looks like you know what I mean In terms of eating. Like one thing, like you know, seeing you this morning in the markets is like yep, going buy a lot of food from the markets because you don't want it. Like so much food, Spray it on all the shit and buying the right amount of food and understanding you know, slow cooker, rice cooker, how to cook veggies, and it's like it's interesting because we did. Like it's very similar. It's like you have a you just almost got stuff on cooking all the time.
Speaker 2:Like most days, I put a rice cooker in on the morning and then, like I like the whole things throughout the day, yeah, and then I'll clean the rice cooker at night. Then, when I get up in the morning and put a rice cooker on, I have a slow cooker going for two to three days. Yeah, I'm like sweet now for four of my meals over the next two, three days. I'm just going in there Grabbing the meat, putting the ball like it's fantastic. Yeah, like, and like some people think it sucks so hard and they don't know what to buy and they don't know what to eat and like you've got all the hacks.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think it's just just keeping it simple. I think if you were the things that you you mentioned then is, yeah, like Food doesn't have to be complex. But the more I truly believe, the more organized your kitchen is, the more easy your life is gonna be. And a lot of people put a lot Of emphasis on the wrong things. I think if you yeah, if you start with slow cooker, a rice cooker, an air fry I slash oven, like it's gonna make food prep so much easier. It's gonna make food prep so much more delicious. It's not gonna feel like you're eating boring food it's taking forever to make, so it's like that solves is probably the biggest problem I see for a lot of people, which is like I don't have time or you know, if I eat healthy, he's gonna be boring like tell me some of the delicious shit.
Speaker 2:Tell me some delicious shit that'll like Blow your mind in regards to health as well.
Speaker 1:Man. So, like the other night we we made some Fried rice and chicken, but what we did was all like special fried rice, essentially our version. So like we put the rice in the slope in the rice cooker with some bone broth and some coconut oil, made that then from the chicken, we just diced up some basic chicken breast, put it in the bone broth marinade and let that sit overnight for like 12 hours, cooked up the rice, cooked up the meat, cooked up a bunch of vegetables, whipped it all up to get a simple good macros, carbs, fats, lots of different vegetables in there for your micronutrients and was meals for the next two, three days. Because we made a huge batch yeah, example B slow cooker, chuck a kilo of lamb in there. Same thing Chuck the rice on, whip up the rice in the lamb. I made my own curry sauce, made like, made ourselves a little homemade curry.
Speaker 1:I don't feel like I'm eating restrictive, as like I'm literally eating like a lamb maximum curry and a chicken fried rice, but it's all like. I know. It's all real ingredients, real food, no nonsense in there. Obviously, you know, if you are someone that's been specific about your macros and calories is like takes 30 seconds extra to weigh it. Yeah, and you know we're ticking all the boxes there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then, like you put essential oils and stuff.
Speaker 1:I don't eat them.
Speaker 2:Literally drunk teacher, real yesterday.
Speaker 1:Not food, but yeah, obviously, yeah, you can.
Speaker 1:That's a different topic but, I, think food wise, like nutritional literacy, is a big thing I work on with my clients, as you know. It's like I have a PDF for almost everything in terms of trying to make their life easy. So I think, trying to make it as easy as possible to start with the same ways, if you had a client Who'd never counted macros before, it's like you might give them a meal plan for the first four weeks so they to help them, guide them with the goal is to then take them off the meal plan, so then they can obviously just make their own decisions. The same thing with food.
Speaker 1:I think it's like for a lot of people we're just so used to eating a certain way and we never get taught this at school. And if we do get taught at school, it's very mainstream government, it's not necessarily very Tinfoil, it's not necessarily the best advice, and so it's not really anyone's fault. It's just like this is what we've been in Docrenated with. It's like almost trying to teach someone a different language of what good food looks like, what to be aware of in terms of Really nutritional labels. You know what is make sure you got fats.
Speaker 2:I find there's like a war, Still feel like there's a war of fats. I mean eating a high fat diet for ages and I'm like I always feel way better yeah man, I mean fats.
Speaker 1:Have you know some of your essential vitamins? You have vitamin a, e, e, d, k, which are essential for a lot of different functions in the body vitamin a, vitamin D for your immune system. You know vitamin a as well as good for your skin.
Speaker 2:I got a question, yeah, especially, oh man, you go on to about fats for days, g a logie, how do you use food and supplementation to increase someone's testosterone? And ladies, if you're listening to this, I don't need to go out because your like Testosterone is great function to help you get back into your like best femininity, your sex drive, everything else, your motivation, so like this is sort of like for everyone here. So what, how do you? How do you use food and supplementation? What are some like recommendations that you have that you think Help people's testosterone increase the best?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm set. I did a presentation on this few weeks ago. All the guys are asking how they increase their tests and my answer is always Testosterone. When we look at the hierarchy of systems, as we know, is the second last system in the hierarchy, to endocrine system. So the best way to improve your testosterone which is the answer no one wants to hear is improving your overall health and decrease in stress in these other systems. So I don't actually use a lot of direct supplementation, like you know. Obviously, when it comes to testosterone directly, dan's always like I've never given you anything direct.
Speaker 1:I think there is some good stuff out there you could take as a one percenter on top, but for me it's always about let's get gut health, immune health, nervous system health rights, reduce the stress, deal with the infection, optimized gut, manage stress because in terms of like testosterone, in terms of production, it's like if we have an increase in stress, we have an increase in cortisol, which will suppress DHEA's and Suppress essentially our production of testosterone. So it's like, well, if you have high stress, that's gonna be the biggest number one thing it's stopping you from producing. And when I say stress, it's not this Mental, it's all the different types of stress that we talked about before.
Speaker 2:What are like just common types of stress, if you just check them out there.
Speaker 1:So once I talked about before that biochemical food stress, you know, essentially your body trying to deal with extra toxins from eating shit food. Your body trying to deal with stress from emotions. Your body trying to deal with extra stress from toxins from, you know, tap water and chemicals and your hair products, skin products, cleaning products, all the things we're exposed to in our modern-day age.
Speaker 2:That's interesting because you mentioned this, because you like, you got your test really hard, naturally 984. I was spilling so close so close to a thousand, yeah what happened to you.
Speaker 1:You just like oh that's, that's, that's literally like. My approach is literally what I went through, where it was like I didn't take any testosterone boost is a intake, any testosterone supplements. Well, I did like it wasn't even my intention at some. My intention in time was I was very burnt out at parasites, candida, mold. I just wanted to feel good again because I couldn't get out of bed and I felt like an absolute piece of shit. So to me it was just I wanted to be a normal, healthy human again.
Speaker 1:I got all my tests done just because obviously that's you know, starting point one, to know where I was at, and it wasn't even the intention. But then I got the test done. I think it was 15 or 16 weeks later and the test went from 400 and something to 984 and I was like, oh, that's hectic and that wasn't even a conscious effort. But what I was doing, when I reflected on it, I'm like all right. Well, I went through my house, got rid of all my products. I was using low-tox products. You know food, low-tox food in real food. You know lifting heavy weights, sprint training, contrast therapy. You know heat exposure, cold exposure, doing the meditation, the breath work, the stress management. I was just very holistic in making sure I ticked every area. It's like every area was probably in the way 5%, but I was doing every area to its maximal potential. I didn't.
Speaker 1:When I see the problem with a lot of guys when they come see me, it's okay. Like you know what's the best supplement to take. You know, sure, the taking TRT should I be taking you know some sort of anabolic? Like to me? It's like you can and it might help you improve. But the biggest thing that's tearing it down is that stress. So we need to figure out where the stress is coming from. Is the stress from infection? Is the stress from the food you're eating? Is the stress from your environment? Is the stress from your products? It's usually a combination of all of them. But until we deal with that, it's almost like you know Someone's trying to tear down the wall and you just keep trying to rebuild is like, why don't you stop the thing tearing it down before you focus on trying to rebuild it? Like they know? Do you said before, rather than keep trying to find $20 like, why don't you just stop your body spending so much money on things it doesn't need to?
Speaker 2:That's huge realization for people and it's cheaper than a lot of the supplements.
Speaker 1:There's nothing wrong with them, but like you know, tom Kaddale, things like this, it's like go and spend hundreds and dollars on supplements that don't work, or they Barely work because of the underlying stresses we're not managing. You're better off to, you know, spend your 150 bucks on a blood test, consult with a functional practitioner and deal with spending three months dealing with your issues. You test also remove your much higher than in 12 months later if you just taken supplements because the ones to come out.
Speaker 2:You just want to be hot. Yeah, why letting it go down? Exactly crazy. Giving up caffeine again for a while? Yeah, it's good, hey, it's good, but like I find, like I find I can only have, like I think, about three to four coffees a week. Mm-hmm single shots. There's like enough for my system. Caffeine sensitive yeah as hell, go like DNA test and everything. And it was like your caffeine sensitivity you are sensitive coffee.
Speaker 1:I think I was still smashing like two, three coffees a day. I'm for everyone's different, though, when it comes to caffeine. So as I like a metaboliser like half life, like even for me, I can have coffee like three, four PM, and I'm pretty sweet. Other people can have coffee at 12 PM and they're still jacked up.
Speaker 2:I can't have a coffee after like 9 am. Yeah, right, yeah, I'm like it's a small window. Yeah, I don't mind. I was like I've won. I just like to smell so good, but also I like much better. But um, one thing that Dan doesn't hate is supplements, though. I do mention that you're like supplement king in terms of like you're mentioning you like, don't take supplements, sort your shit out. I'd also, if you do want to take supplements, look what I've got under my jacket. I.
Speaker 1:Said yeah, I think I said this to you.
Speaker 1:I'm working like you have to say that on the podcast I was like people just taking the wrong supplements or just the dumb supplements for them and they don't know why they're taking it, and this is the thing that's me really pissed off. It's like this supplements are amazing when they're taking for the right reason, but it's like if you don't know why you're taking something or there's no reason to take something, it's not that the supplements good or bad, it's just like is it actually useful? In the context it's the same as exercise prescription. It's like what's the best exercise for glutes? It's like they all work and they all don't. Which one's best for you at that time, for the Deficiency you have or for this outcome? You want same sort of thing. So it's like it was that you know, oh, should I take magnesium, should I take this? Should I take that? You could take all of them.
Speaker 1:But it's like, unless you want to take 20 supplements the rest of your life and this is where food and diet comes into it. Like your dad, for example, I was writing his meal plan on chronometer the other day I'm like cool, base off your bloods. These are the deficiencies I see in vitamins. We can deal with a lot of those things just by eating the right foods that have the micronutrients that your divisions in Whilst. We then use supplements to go after the underlying infection that's causing a deficiency in the first place. We have this dual approach of like well, the supplements help deal with the thing, and then food helps deal with the byproduct of what's that is causing. So, yeah, when it comes to dealing with things like parasites, candida, mold, helicopacter bylori or H Polori, which is a stomach infection, candida, fungal, over of SIBO, sifo, all these and what that.
Speaker 2:What that's like a normal people is like gut pain, bloating, eating Something. Why is this happening? Oh, I feel weird. Oh I'm tired after eat that thing. Oh, I need to have a nap in the middle of the day. This is all the shit that rainfall, memory loss.
Speaker 1:You know, cognitive functions a big one for that to reactivity of people.
Speaker 2:Oh, how much fucking fresh area all the time reactivity to products as a big one as well.
Speaker 1:I even certain types of clothing a lot of girls would be like I was certain you know whether when I wear this type of clothing I notice them a bit more sensitive, or like certain jewelry, certain products, so like. These are all Symptoms and you know, as what our mentor says, like you'll notice the whispers before they become screams, and like those little things are usually the whispers, your body has given you as a hint that to pop the hood and see what's going on. And the pop the hood is the blood test that's open up the hood. Let's investigate what's going on.
Speaker 2:So, essentially, why are you taking the supplement you're taking? Yeah, why, as I have questioned everything. Now Look at my supplement coming online.
Speaker 1:I'm like yeah, I don't know, I'm just staring like I think the only ones that I say consistently, like that I think are valuable. Uh, magnesium, I think everyone, almost every single person I see, is deficient in magnesium. Well, why Don't absorb it?
Speaker 2:properly, just not enough.
Speaker 1:To be honest, especially if you're a strength training, resistance training athlete, it's like you're going to be having a hundred milligrams per 10 kilos of body weight per day. I don't know many people have an 800 to a thousand milligrams of shit my pants yeah, I was split dose. Obviously Don't take it all at once. Disclaimer If we look at most and like again most people where they buy and source out their supplements, if you go to a chemist warehouse and you buy the magnesium on the shelf, it's like number one. You probably don't know what type of magnesium it is. You know how bi available is it? How old does it absorb? How much is actually imper capsule? How much do you need? It's like most times you buy one that's on a shelf. It's like probably has a hundred milligrams and says take one a day and it's probably, you know, a citrate which doesn't even absorb very well. So it's like in that example. It's like knowing what you're taking, how much to take, what type of take, is a big thing too.
Speaker 2:So you're also saying then, like you know, when it comes to quality of the supplements, just spend the money on the good shit, because it's like I was expensive yeah. It's like you have like two, is like you have a dollar coin that's worth a dollar. Or then you have a piece of gold the same size of a dollar coin that's worth like a hundred. And it's like you know, one might be a little bit, a little bit more expensive, but you're getting complete gold out of it.
Speaker 1:Like a dollar Big one. I'm like, I'm pretty big on it. I've used a few a lot of times. And Chloe is like liposomal forms and liquid forms as well.
Speaker 1:Because if people do have like gut issues, permeability issues, licky guts, like they can you know you're taking, you're taking the supplement but you might not be absorbing it very well, which again means it's kind of a waste of money. And even in general, if we look at like capsule form, you'll we have this thing called first past metabolism, which is your liver metabolizes a lot of these supplements and compounds. So you lose about 50% of the compound before it even gets to absorption in the bloodstream. God damn it. So it's like if you take a liposomal or sublinguinal, like a spray or a liquid like you know a lot of ones I've given you liposomal C, liposomal glustyne you're going to get better absorption for two reasons. Number one we bypass that first past metabolism, but we also don't have to go through the gut, where essentially, if we had a leaky gut, we could lose a lot of it as well. So it's like, yeah, like if we bring it back, it's like the right supplement, the right type of that supplement, like the right quality.
Speaker 1:You know the way it's processed, the form of it. Like magnesium, there's multiple different forms, right dosage, right frequency and, more importantly, like the right reason and then also the right duration, like some things, like we did together. It's like we're going to do this for 14 days only and then we come off it. You don't need to take this forever. It's like specificity. The same is exercise. It's like we're going to, you're back, you're coming over this issue. We're going to do these exercises for seven days, assess the response and then we change it and we progress into different exercises.
Speaker 2:Do a lot of saunas, nice baths, eat a lot of good food and do some other exercises.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, straight up. So what are just for, like some people, if they just want to go try some stuff like blow their mind. What are some things that you've got up your sleeve? And it was like if you want to try some stuff to get a result, you can try this, like I know you've got some crazy brain concoctions, maybe some flushes, and I know you've got some other stuff. What are some weird stuff?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:What are some weird stuff that you? I think, that's like not, they're like you wouldn't recommend, but you're going to recommend it anyway, Cause we're on the punkers Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Speaker 1:I think, in general, starting point that I would recommend for most people listening is good quality magnesium, some sort of like magnesium, glycinate creatine monohydrate, um, official that has like EPA, dha, or eating regular fish, um, and the full vikumik minerals that we've talked about, which we can go and see if you like um and electrolytes.
Speaker 1:I think if you weren't sure where to start on supplements and you wanted stuff that's like going to be relatively, like globally, good for everyone, it's like those would be the ones I would have in the staple in my what about if I wanted to be as focused as possible?
Speaker 2:I want to have the highest fucking energy on what my brain's just be like, like absolutely on fire, essentially like I'm just like I feel like I can conquer the world right now. Do you any potions for that, Mdafinal? No, it's good.
Speaker 1:Um magnesium, uh, three and eight is good. Um altyrazine and al-dopamine is a uh sorry. Al-dopamine, altyrazine and al-thionine are a good combination that I like. So, uh, with the magnesium, yeah, so like GABA, al-thionine another one's pretty common you see that on, like Joe Rogan's podcast and things. So like GABA, al-thionine, uh, magnesium, three and eight, and then the thinning and um tyrosine, usually, to be honest, the most cheapest and effective form for me, in my opinion, because the other ones can be quite expensive. You can buy al-thionine and buy al-tyrosine in a powder form. Altyrazine's a precursor to dopamine, so it's like your focus and your energy and he's just like I explain it to like imagine that door that over there had a thousand little individual fairy lights on it. When you take dopamine, it's going to light up those lights. So you're going to have, it's going to turn things on, you're going to have the energy. However, it's like now you've got a thousand things to focus on.
Speaker 2:You're going to be like, oh my God, like very ADD, I can't focus I can't pick one thing.
Speaker 1:Theanine essentially then works on your acetylcholine pathway, which will then help to focus on one light.
Speaker 2:So it's like right as hell.
Speaker 1:So it's like they're all still turned on but you can now laser into one and focus. So it's like al-tyrazine is going to work on that pathway and al-thionine is going to work on that pathway and together they're a good little concoction to help with improving cognition. Focus but also then be an hour to stay and stay on task and pay attention. So if you're someone who's very ADD, can't focus on very stop study tasks, which in a lot of times, I find that can be a useful concoction.
Speaker 2:Interesting, interesting. I love it. Well, some things you've been learning recently that is like new, fresh in your mind, that you've been like oh, this is new and this is helpful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've been learning a lot of stuff. So my mentor shout out to him, dr Stuart Galepsy. I've been doing a mentorship with him the last nine or 10 months now. This isn't going deep into the immune system and understanding how, like obviously we all know the immune system is important, can't live without it, but just understanding how involved it is in a lot of these like common presentations and chronic presentations that we see in people. And understanding, like, how we can manipulate and drive different parts of the immune system to help people manage these symptoms, which is crazy to me because, like again, I might get in trouble for saying some of this stuff because it's not conventional, but it's like. I think it's crazy because if you have a lot of these people that have these problems in the medical model, it's like unlucky yeah.
Speaker 2:What kind of problems Like if people with like autoimmune issues, for example, and why? How does that manifest? What are they? What is this?
Speaker 1:So I sent this to my client the other day. I was like, think of it, as we have what's called like an insult, yeah, like the insult to the body. So it's like you can have multiple insults. We talked about before that mean different types of stress, but usually there's one that triggers the initial, you know, inflammation. So it's like in the body we have inflammation. There's acute inflammation, which is good, same as training. We have. Inflammation stimulates healing, we repair, we grow happy days.
Speaker 1:When your body gets stuck in a chronic cycle of information and we can't turn it off or we can't manage it effectively, then this is where we can start driving a different pathway in our immune system that leaves us to be stuck and it can start to then continue and become an autoimmune issue. So like this is when I was talking to you about like we have our native immune system, which is our main immune system, which is like our white cells, our macrophages, our natural killer cells, et cetera. Then we've got this second immune system called our adaptive immune system, which has, like the TH1, the TH2, the TH17 we talked about. It's like if we get stuck in that adaptive immune system, it's almost been like stuck in your sympathetic nervous system equivalent.
Speaker 2:It's like we want it. And what are some symptoms of that? What are like to some common? Which one For all of them? What are just common symptoms that you would have if it's not good, it's like we need another hour.
Speaker 1:It depends on the presentation. Let's say mainly like most of them are going to be either neurological symptoms, like we talked about. It could be lack of focus, clarity, brain fog, energy, memory is a big one, obviously guts or sensitivities, reactions to food, skin conditions is a big one too. So for TH1, it's usually more of like those sort of viral effects that might be more the mood aspect of things in neurological. For TH2, like it was what you had more of was more like the allergies, skin conditions, like what Chloe had. And then TH17 generally tends to be more of the autoimmune pathways.
Speaker 2:What are?
Speaker 1:symptoms of autoimmune. So symptoms, wise again, depend on which system has been affected. So autoimmune just means like your body is obviously attacking self. So an autoimmune condition, for example, might be like Hashimoto's, which is a fire, that's going to usually be associated with thyroid symptoms. It might be cold hands, hot hands, feet, problems of weight loss, goiter in the throat. The eyes are bulging. What's goiter? Which is like? If you look at someone's throat, it's like their Adam's apple is really inflamed. So if you see the gigantic Adam's apple, yeah, so it looks like, almost looks like a massive circle coming off. Yeah, it's pretty common when you have a thyroid issue. Whoa, I just thought that menu is more thyroid-ish.
Speaker 1:So there's a specific issue called Graves disease, which is usually quite more common in females. So Graves disease can be the common thyroid issue in females and they usually have the goiter. Yeah, versus Hashimoto's is usually. We'll see like the eyes are quite protruded, like they're almost popping out of the eyeballs.
Speaker 2:What do you think it terms? Percentage, right Percentage of the population who are getting affected by these problems. But wouldn't know that it's this shit.
Speaker 1:I'd say at least a third. It's pretty prevalent. So, like in terms of what I was saying before, like with the, well, if we do like a real fast track once, I kind of think there's some sort of insult. Infection, you know all like chronic stress in the body leads to chronic inflammation. Body can't manage the inflammation. This chronic inflammation increases stress in the body and then over time again it's like this is not something that happens in a week, it's like this happens in three to five years.
Speaker 1:Eventually, this chronic inflammation, it can't be resolved and then leads to one of our systems or organs in the body yeah, so it's like shutting down or being attacked and then that organ in particular then becomes the autoimmune disease.
Speaker 2:This is landing so hard. For me, man, like right now, it's like landing. It's really just like all the symptoms that you're experiencing now is probably the summary and the results of all the habits and the decisions and time that you spent literally for the past five years. Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:And then it's like, well, you think, if this was the problem, like, let's say, that was an infection that created the you know maladaptive immune response and the chronic inflammation, and then we end up here with this condition, it's like it kind of makes sense to go well, let's deal with this, because if we deal with this that's going to stop this and then that's going to stop stress here. But that's where, like I think a lot of science, people will get tossed away a bit in the medical model because it's like, oh, you've got this condition and unfortunately we can't do anything about it. It's irreversible. Yada, yada, yada. It's like, hang on a minute. If we know that this caused this and this caused that, then would it not make sense to reverse engineer it the same way I'd reverse engineer a shoulder problem?
Speaker 2:It's landing for me again. So for all my high performers listening and people go. I want to be the best, I want to be the best energy, I want to be like feeling the best. All the rest of this it's like, essentially you're already at a hundred, like your body and how your brain works and everything is like your maximum potential is a hundred and you've got that. You've just put in shit in the way which is just stopping you from getting to a hundred. So it's not like you have to be better. It's not like you have to go out there and do different shit in order to be a high performer. It's just to manage what's already going on and move levers around, sort of like a jigsaw puzzle or like.
Speaker 2:What I'm imagining is like a like, a like. Like if a water is going through a funnel and I want to get, I want to get to the top, and there's all these like magical, like we're not magical, but there's this path of levers and it's like if you can manage all the levers in the right way, eventually it'll open up the past and the water can flow through it. But if one lever is blocked it's going to stop you from like half of the least resistance, yeah, and it's like the whole paradigm for me sort of shifting around, like I don't have to do be keep trying to crush whatever it is to get into like the highest, like best version of myself and my highest potential. It's like I just want to make sure that all of these lenses and routines and habits are just I'm allowing myself to be there by not doing the bad shit and making sure that I'm making the right decisions and that my energy is focused. Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:And man, like your prime example, when I say a lot of people like I'm imagining listening to this in your audience like it's nine times out of 10, it's doing less and doing more of the right stuff. And in my example, like people I work with, like a lot of times people like, like what you just said, what can I take, like, what can I do? Nine times out of 10, it's stop taking so much. It's like it's like it's usually more. What's more important is usually what we take out rather than what we put in. Usually it's doing less rather than doing more. Usually it's been more specific rather than being like what I said to you.
Speaker 1:You know, be a sniper, not a shotgun. Because in most scenarios, yeah, it's like I'm doing all these things and I want to do more ice bars and more, saw it as a train harder and you know just more, more, more. And it's like, hey, do you care about the outcome or do you care about, like, how you get the outcome? And the process is important, but it's like, if you get your dream outcome, doing 30% less, but just do the right things rather than do all the things, like, would you not prefer that? And again, I'll say most people like you would say like hell yeah.
Speaker 2:So like.
Speaker 1:So I learned.
Speaker 2:this is so funny. So I learned this recently because I have this like archetype, like kind of tarot card things that we've got and it's just. It's just interesting because Chloe and I just like to look at it, but it's really good because it's based itself of a lot of Jungian theory and a lot of like mindset stuff and one of the archetypes that, like we just pulled out of there was called the sustainer. And it's really interesting when, when we look at like archetypes and like just sort of some spiritual stuff in terms of like what characters play without your body, it's like the archetype of the sustainer. In a negative light, for example, if you're possessed by the archetype of the sustainer, it's like you're stressed out, you're tired, you're overwhelmed and you're exhausted. In the positive light of the sustainer, it's like what you're doing is you're focusing on the right things, you're doing less of the shit things and you're way more abundant in all areas. It's just so funny you saying that because I'm like man.
Speaker 2:That's one thing we want to adopt is the light side of the sustainer more often. So that blew my mind. People who are listening, dan, where can they find you? Where can they reach out to you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, man, so mainly just on Instagram. I'm not too techie, so at drdanielkirkbride or atsmovmentmedicineschool.
Speaker 2:Yes, Dr Dan Kirkbride, ladies and gentlemen, and movement and medicine.
Speaker 1:Hell yeah.
Speaker 2:I like to leave all the listeners with a challenge. If you could challenge them with one thing today. What's the challenge? You want to give them Sinus rinse. That's actually really good, brother. Give them a recipe. What's a good sinus rinse recipe? I might start them a little bit softer. They can do the go to Woollycom.
Speaker 1:Buy yourself some sort of nasal flush. Fess is a brand I think I know of. We're going to chuck a quarter of a teaspoon of salt, Celtic salt.
Speaker 1:We're going to jump in. I probably won't put the tea tree, and if you do tea tree, you can pop one drop only of tea tree, one drop of the biocidal botanicals which most people want. So we'll probably just say tea tree, and then, if you have some sort of activated charcoal, we can put a very, very minor amount of the teaspoon in as well, shake it up in one nostril, out the other nostril. Give yourself 30 seconds for your brain on fire in between.
Speaker 2:Yeah, guys, if you have any questions, shoot down a message, because here's just like a wealth of knowledge Anything popped up here. You're slightly confused. You wanted to dive deeper into something. Just send a message straight onto Instagram and you're actually active as hell on Instagram, so he will get back to you on that at some point. So, dude, thank you so much for coming onto the podcast. That was absolutely amazing, appreciate it Much love Hell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like Arnie in the predator. We're just like nah. All right, thanks for listening everybody. If you liked this episode, please share it with a friend, send it to someone, chuck us a follow. You know all the things. Thank you so much. Thank you.